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Jochen Weber's avatar

I liked this summary paragraph at the bottom:

> In today’s polarized landscape, these insights into moral foundations reveal why political debates often feel intractable. Disagreements are not merely about facts; they are about competing moral priorities—care versus loyalty, or fairness versus authority. Each moral value is rooted in evolved psychological dispositions. When one side frames inequality as exploitation and the other frames redistribution as coercion, both are acting from deeply ingrained moral instincts. Recognizing that fact does not eliminate conflict, but it reframes it: A society that understands morality as a set of context-dependent trade-offs among competing values can better resist the extremes of both rigid absolutism and cynical relativism.

And I imagine that part of the issue around those disagreements is that labeling what is a desired outcome for some people *who are willing to defend their position publicly* as wrong or evil misses this trade-off.

Naturally, outcomes which a person or group is not willing to defend publicly as their preference (in an open, free-speech exchange of ideas, say) suggest to me that the person already understands that their trade-offs (extreme selfishness, say) would be deemed "immoral" in such an exchange...

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ADAM , you stated : "Our competing moral assumptions are instinctual, but not arbitrary ".

Unsatisfied with that conclusion and confused , I asked AI the following question :

The statement "Our competing moral assumptions are instinctual, but not arbitrary" suggests that while our foundational ideas about right and wrong feel intuitive and are deeply embedded (instinctual), they are not random or baseless (not arbitrary) .

Here is a breakdown of what that phrase means:

"Our competing moral assumptions are instinctual..." This part implies that humans have an innate sense of morality, possibly evolved or inherent, that guides their decisions.

Instinctual suggests these assumptions arise from deep within us, like an automatic gut feeling, rather than from conscious, external learning . This explains why different people might have strong, immediate feelings about a moral issue that conflict with others' strong feelings.

"...but not arbitrary." This crucial second part clarifies that these moral instincts aren't just random preferences, like choosing a favourite colour.

Not arbitrary implies there is some underlying, non-random basis or structure to these instincts. This basis could be rooted in a shared human nature, the common need for social cooperation to survive, universal principles of logic, or perhaps even a common objective moral reality that we are imperfectly perceiving .

In essence, the statement argues that moral disagreements arise from deeply felt, built-in instincts, but these instincts are part of a predictable human framework, not just chaotic, groundless opinions .

But......the pointless pain and suffering recently inflicted by murderers and assassins in America and in Australia makes a mockery of ...."but not arbitrary" .......unless you mean that violence is deeply embedded in Muslims and the "left-side" of politics. ! Looking at the horrendous revolutions and wars of the 20th century , involving the Marx-inspired left-wing philosophies of both the Nazis and the Communists , I take your point , but I had hoped that the Muslims had left their putrid attitudes and hatreds back in their failed-homelands where they belong !

The actions of Ahmed Al Ahmed show that it is not only possible , it is highly desirable !

It inspires us and gives us hope ! What a welcome addition to ANY society that courageous and competent man is ! It is very evident that Ahmed's instinctive moral decision overcame any arbitrary reluctance to preserve his own life !

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